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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a footnote we have this, from a second e-mail I just got from a new Nerve prospect:

&quot;and, now that you have my full name, if you google me, I&#039;m NOT the _______  that was shot in the back of the head by a Venezuelan government agent.&quot;

Hey, he&#039;s funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a footnote we have this, from a second e-mail I just got from a new Nerve prospect:</p>
<p>&#8220;and, now that you have my full name, if you google me, I&#8217;m NOT the _______  that was shot in the back of the head by a Venezuelan government agent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, he&#8217;s funny!</p>
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		<title>By: virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John! Karen! Stop biting! Or I&#039;m going to turn this car around right now!

&quot;mocassin-walking exercise&quot; refers to walking a mile in someone else&#039;s moccasins/ being in someone else&#039;s shoes.

And if I may quibble, there are charming scoundrels who specialize in the in-person false negative. But they&#039;ve been around way longer than computers, and the computer doesn&#039;t really change their game....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John! Karen! Stop biting! Or I&#8217;m going to turn this car around right now!</p>
<p>&#8220;mocassin-walking exercise&#8221; refers to walking a mile in someone else&#8217;s moccasins/ being in someone else&#8217;s shoes.</p>
<p>And if I may quibble, there are charming scoundrels who specialize in the in-person false negative. But they&#8217;ve been around way longer than computers, and the computer doesn&#8217;t really change their game&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Karen said to me--OK, I&#039;ll bite. What is a moccasin-walking exercise? I couldn&#039;t find it in the NTC American Idioms Dictionary, nor the Dictionary of Cliches. Perhaps its absence in the latter is a good thing, although there&#039;s always some joy in making a dead metaphor spring  back to life. 

On the subject of the righteousness of Googling, I would start with the following two assumptions: first, our goal is to find a person with whom we would want to spend significant amounts of our precious time; second, when in a love relationship, the worst, the very worst thing, is to talk with one&#039;s partner about important and potentially volatile aspects of that relationship in any way other than in person, preferably holding hands or other body parts if possible. I think the second axiom can be applied to the first--the most relevant data comes from a date, one of the in-person variety. The sooner you get there, the faster you&#039;ll know whether you and a person who has passed your initial cut stand a ghost of a chance of a second date. 

And I&#039;m reminded of a line from a Grateful Dead song:  &quot;I&#039;d rather be in some dark hollow where the sun don&#039;t ever shine, than be alone in some big city, in a small room, with a girl on my mind.&quot; We have to get out there and actually go on dates. As soon as it seems safe and possible. Anything else is a risk-averse avoidance of human contact based on something only slightly more predictively reliable than the reading of entrails.  

Online dating is sort of a misnomer: despite the fact that it can feel quite intimate somehow, it is not a date, although it is a good way to get a date. From a statistical standpoint, it amounts to searching a database for matches in parameter values; these parameters are skewed to yield a high percentage of &quot;false-positives.&quot; When combined with Googling, they yield high percentages of both &quot;false-positives&quot; and &quot;false negatives&quot; because of the unknown reliability of information from the Googling and the human judgment imposed on it, which compounds possible errors. 

Compared to that scenario, in-person dating gives very few false positives or negatives. So while the intial cut that online dating/searching yields seems valuable in finding an in-person date, Googling and attempting to read the tea leaves it generates may actually add to the margin of error already built into the OLD process; it certainly delays getting to the most reliable way of making a judgment about who might still love and need you when you&#039;re sixty-four, the divorce rate notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Karen said to me&#8211;OK, I&#8217;ll bite. What is a moccasin-walking exercise? I couldn&#8217;t find it in the NTC American Idioms Dictionary, nor the Dictionary of Cliches. Perhaps its absence in the latter is a good thing, although there&#8217;s always some joy in making a dead metaphor spring  back to life. </p>
<p>On the subject of the righteousness of Googling, I would start with the following two assumptions: first, our goal is to find a person with whom we would want to spend significant amounts of our precious time; second, when in a love relationship, the worst, the very worst thing, is to talk with one&#8217;s partner about important and potentially volatile aspects of that relationship in any way other than in person, preferably holding hands or other body parts if possible. I think the second axiom can be applied to the first&#8211;the most relevant data comes from a date, one of the in-person variety. The sooner you get there, the faster you&#8217;ll know whether you and a person who has passed your initial cut stand a ghost of a chance of a second date. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m reminded of a line from a Grateful Dead song:  &#8220;I&#8217;d rather be in some dark hollow where the sun don&#8217;t ever shine, than be alone in some big city, in a small room, with a girl on my mind.&#8221; We have to get out there and actually go on dates. As soon as it seems safe and possible. Anything else is a risk-averse avoidance of human contact based on something only slightly more predictively reliable than the reading of entrails.  </p>
<p>Online dating is sort of a misnomer: despite the fact that it can feel quite intimate somehow, it is not a date, although it is a good way to get a date. From a statistical standpoint, it amounts to searching a database for matches in parameter values; these parameters are skewed to yield a high percentage of &#8220;false-positives.&#8221; When combined with Googling, they yield high percentages of both &#8220;false-positives&#8221; and &#8220;false negatives&#8221; because of the unknown reliability of information from the Googling and the human judgment imposed on it, which compounds possible errors. </p>
<p>Compared to that scenario, in-person dating gives very few false positives or negatives. So while the intial cut that online dating/searching yields seems valuable in finding an in-person date, Googling and attempting to read the tea leaves it generates may actually add to the margin of error already built into the OLD process; it certainly delays getting to the most reliable way of making a judgment about who might still love and need you when you&#8217;re sixty-four, the divorce rate notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Lovable KnowItAll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lovable KnowItAll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, purely by coincidence comes &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.nerve.com/fiction/rushkoff/inbox/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; little story on Nerve.com by Douglas Rushkoff, which mentions Googling dates in the year 2033. Yep, it&#039;s still considered somewhat stalker-like and desperate but one can be driven to it by...stalkerly desperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, purely by coincidence comes <a href='http://www.nerve.com/fiction/rushkoff/inbox/' rel="nofollow">this</a> little story on Nerve.com by Douglas Rushkoff, which mentions Googling dates in the year 2033. Yep, it&#8217;s still considered somewhat stalker-like and desperate but one can be driven to it by&#8230;stalkerly desperation.</p>
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		<title>By: kmcleod</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmcleod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least now you can use allllll of Barrett&#039;s lyrics with no consequences...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least now you can use allllll of Barrett&#8217;s lyrics with no consequences&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: girlbomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>girlbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uch, what a prick. He certainly knows from smarmy, doesn&#039;t he? All that shit about how men like sex columnists made me want to throw up...in HIS mouth. &quot;Nyah nyah, I published more than she did.&quot; Can&#039;t wait until Ginny smacks him over the head with a hardback copy of her book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uch, what a prick. He certainly knows from smarmy, doesn&#8217;t he? All that shit about how men like sex columnists made me want to throw up&#8230;in HIS mouth. &#8220;Nyah nyah, I published more than she did.&#8221; Can&#8217;t wait until Ginny smacks him over the head with a hardback copy of her book.</p>
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		<title>By: virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consensus is in: 

Googling: not creepy.

Googling and pretending you didn&#039;t: A little creepy

Being offended that someone googled you: It&#039;s the 21st century, you silly ostrich!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consensus is in: </p>
<p>Googling: not creepy.</p>
<p>Googling and pretending you didn&#8217;t: A little creepy</p>
<p>Being offended that someone googled you: It&#8217;s the 21st century, you silly ostrich!</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa. I read this immediately after spending 30 minutes Googling this guy who just wrote me from Craigâ€™s List. 

I knew next to nothing about  him â€“ just that he lives not far from me, that he liked my posting of the lyrics to a Joni Mitchell song enough to respond, and that he was man enough to confess he was â€œfeeling about the same wayâ€ as our melancholy baby, Ms. Mitchell, in â€œAll I Want.â€  

And, of course, I knew his e-mail address. Surprisingly, Googling his e-mail address brought me legions of info about this guy, and I liked every thing I saw.  If I hadnâ€™t been able to Google him and find out how much we have in common, interest-wise, at least, I never would have agreed to his requested â€œpicture exchange.â€ 

So yeah, I wrote him back, avec pic, telling him I Googled him and liked what I read. Now Iâ€™m just hoping he doesnâ€™t think thatâ€™s too creepy. But hey, at least heâ€™s seen my picture now. Two in fact. In Craigâ€™sListLand, that makes us about even. 

 ~Karen
 
PostScript: Googling my e-mail address brings no results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. I read this immediately after spending 30 minutes Googling this guy who just wrote me from Craigâ€™s List. </p>
<p>I knew next to nothing about  him â€“ just that he lives not far from me, that he liked my posting of the lyrics to a Joni Mitchell song enough to respond, and that he was man enough to confess he was â€œfeeling about the same wayâ€ as our melancholy baby, Ms. Mitchell, in â€œAll I Want.â€  </p>
<p>And, of course, I knew his e-mail address. Surprisingly, Googling his e-mail address brought me legions of info about this guy, and I liked every thing I saw.  If I hadnâ€™t been able to Google him and find out how much we have in common, interest-wise, at least, I never would have agreed to his requested â€œpicture exchange.â€ </p>
<p>So yeah, I wrote him back, avec pic, telling him I Googled him and liked what I read. Now Iâ€™m just hoping he doesnâ€™t think thatâ€™s too creepy. But hey, at least heâ€™s seen my picture now. Two in fact. In Craigâ€™sListLand, that makes us about even. </p>
<p> ~Karen</p>
<p>PostScript: Googling my e-mail address brings no results.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can you expect from a googling?  If you are the googler, you will only find something substantial if the googlee is a person of some attainment that is already of public record.  Google will put together titles, list galleries, note promotions.  A clipping service, no more.  Unless the googlee&#039;s name is unusual, you spend much of your time trying to figure out which of his homonyms is the real him.  If the googlee is a person trying to lead a quiet life, google will present sixteen identical notices -- though with sixteen different headings -- of the minutes of the board of the preschool that the googlee&#039;s child attends.

I don&#039;t mind being googled, if I&#039;m told at the head of the conversation.  It can be eerie to hear some new or casual acquaintance use the very same words that pilloried me in a French review four years ago (some phrases just stick in the mind).  A thorough googling saves you a lot of small talk.  I wish google could do for my family what it does for my so-called career, so I wouldn&#039;t have to talk about them either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you expect from a googling?  If you are the googler, you will only find something substantial if the googlee is a person of some attainment that is already of public record.  Google will put together titles, list galleries, note promotions.  A clipping service, no more.  Unless the googlee&#8217;s name is unusual, you spend much of your time trying to figure out which of his homonyms is the real him.  If the googlee is a person trying to lead a quiet life, google will present sixteen identical notices &#8212; though with sixteen different headings &#8212; of the minutes of the board of the preschool that the googlee&#8217;s child attends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind being googled, if I&#8217;m told at the head of the conversation.  It can be eerie to hear some new or casual acquaintance use the very same words that pilloried me in a French review four years ago (some phrases just stick in the mind).  A thorough googling saves you a lot of small talk.  I wish google could do for my family what it does for my so-called career, so I wouldn&#8217;t have to talk about them either.</p>
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